Curse

[M]agna_[C]arta · Dec 09, 2007, 01:15 AM // 01:15

This thread is going nowhere.
But still entertainingand intresting.
So please don't close this^^.

But I think like everyone, is different, They could be anything.
When you say that teens are immature seems like Racist or Sexist.
Saying Teens are Immature sounds like Girls are Weak, Boys are Dumb or aBlack Americans are Gangsters and White Americans are Racists.
It has no difference.
And from everything, Racist and Sexist are the ones I hate.
I'll rather have a friend as a thief than a Racist or Sexist.
But I hate Racist more.

Teen or Not, Anyone could be Immature or Mature.
A 40 can be Immature while a 14 can be Mature.
Anything is a Possible, excluding Fiction.

ensoriki · Dec 09, 2007, 01:16 AM // 01:16

Why don't you guys stop with the "Im mature".
If you need or even Care to tell people your mature, your not mature.
Maturity is something you just get, you shouldn't even realize you have it, "Im Mature" pfft, you shouldn't even care to tell people that.

The problem isn't 14 year olds are immature in my opinion, its they are insecure.
They inhale the closest thing they find to cool and just become absorbed by it.
Thats why you people who are actually 14 going "STFU your mom's stupid, gives head like a rhino". Or you have
Jennifer: My Family hates me
Britney: Why Jen
Jennifer: They always favor my brother T_T, Im gonna kill myself
Crowd: OMFG *gives her attention*
Random guy: *starts absorbing this and it implements as his attitude*
In truth Jennifer is just whining that her parents got her a $650,000 dollar car in Black and not pink like she wanted.

Its not the maturity its the damn insecurity IMO that makes them undesirable.
But wtf do I know, I have no PhD in psychology.

Also

I killed this thread because there are no kittens in it.

[M]agna_[C]arta · Dec 09, 2007, 01:22 AM // 01:22

Who are you talking to?
Or who are you directing your message to?

Mortal Amongst Mere Gods · Dec 09, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Wrong, Ensor. Maybe not about the other 14-year-olds, but wrong about me. I'm very secure about myself. I'm very confident in myself, maybe even headstrong and bordering on arrogant at times. (Note that I say bordering. I'm not completely arrogant. I sometimes get high on my horse, that's all.)

Also, no, I don't try to be cool. I seperate myself from it. I am myself, adopting the new fad is a complete loss of identity. My will to not follow the crowd or be a sheep is what keeps me real.

ensoriki · Dec 09, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Mortal Amongst Mere Gods

Wrong, Ensor. Maybe not about the other 14-year-olds, but wrong about me. I'm very secure about myself. I'm very confident in myself, maybe even headstrong and bordering on arrogant at times. (Note that I say bordering. I'm not completely arrogant. I sometimes get high on my horse, that's all.)

Also, no, I don't try to be cool. I seperate myself from it. I am myself, adopting the new fad is a complete loss of identity. My will to not follow the crowd or be a sheep is what keeps me real.

Complete lost of identity, pfft that just shows how much you know >.>
There's assimilation, theres integration, more people integrate themselves and keep part of their identity not let themselves be assimilated and completely loose themselves.
A person's identity changes many times through out their lifetime, in large or small ways. There is no complete loss of identity, thats so rare you can call it a myth if you want.
Are you saying you purposely try not to be "cool", its debatable that,that in itself is a form of insecurity in where your afraid to be perceived as cool.

I am not saying your being insecure because you "fight" to stay yourself. What im saying is you can be, if the reason your resisting the natural attraction of popularity it can be because your scared of it.

Mortal Amongst Mere Gods · Dec 09, 2007, 02:16 AM // 02:16

Alright, this argument is pointless. We've gone from "Why hate fourteen-year-olds?" to "No, you're wrong cause I said so." I've had enough.

I respect the views everyone has on everything mentioned here, but enough is enough. I've stated my piece, so there's no point in staying around.

elektra_lucia · Dec 09, 2007, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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Originally Posted by Mortal Amongst Mere Gods

Alright, this argument is pointless. We've gone from "Why hate fourteen-year-olds?" to "No, you're wrong cause I said so." I've had enough.

I respect the views everyone has on everything mentioned here, but enough is enough. I've stated my piece, so there's no point in staying around.

Yes you started off with 'wrong' to your previous post and based your whole post around the personal. I don't see how someone like you could be arrogant, but humans never stop amazing me.

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Also, no, I don't try to be cool. I seperate myself from it. I am myself, adopting the new fad is a complete loss of identity. My will to not follow the crowd or be a sheep is what keeps me real.

People act different around certain people. Who you are with with your mother, father won't be the same as you are with your best friend of the same sex. Who you are with the person you are attracted to, won't be the same as you are with your brother or sister. Everyone is some what 'fake' in a way, not so much fake. They just act differently when different emotions and surroundings are involved. Sometimes it is a pretence, sometimes it is just in them. Younger people are more impressionable and fall for peer pressure, you may not but generally.

If your true identity is to have friends, be happy and perhaps behave a bit immature at times to get this. Then sometimes doing what you don't think is fully functional, might turn out to be good. Sure that doesn't mean you have to do dope behind the sheds, but it can mean you behave slightly different.

It doesn't mean you lose your identity.

''It's not who I am underneath, but what I *do* that defines me.'' Said by not a great politician, Batman none the less :]. If what you do is act slightly immature with your peers in order to keep them as friends. Then it's really not bad. Your closest friends will be your friends no matter what, and you can be all serious with them. At school, most people won't be 'friends' as such (I am fussy about the word), but in a way they are more than an acquaintance. It makes life a little bit easier just to behave similar to them while keeping your morals.

ensoriki:

Whatever point you make is completely null and void for me, when you keep writing 'your' instead of 'you' or 'you are' I find it really obnoxious.

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The problem isn't 14 year olds are immature in my opinion, its they are insecure.
They inhale the closest thing they find to cool and just become absorbed by it.
Thats why you people who are actually 14 going "STFU your mom's stupid, gives head like a rhino". Or you have
Jennifer: My Family hates me
Britney: Why Jen
Jennifer: They always favor my brother T_T, Im gonna kill myself
Crowd: OMFG *gives her attention*
Random guy: *starts absorbing this and it implements as his attitude*
In truth Jennifer is just whining that her parents got her a $650,000 dollar car in Black and not pink like she wanted.

I think you have spent too much time talking to girls online. I notice some are like that. In real life, I've never met such a creature as 'Jennifer'. I could be wrong though, maybe I just don't pay much attention to them.

Inde · Dec 09, 2007, 07:17 PM // 19:17

The answer is simple... because we remember what we were like at 14 and cringe. Honestly, no matter how mature you think you were or think you are... you're not. The same concept applies to any age. When I'm 50 I'll look back on my 20's and cringe. When I'm 70 I'll look back on my 40's and laugh at how naive I was. Anyone who has been out of school for 10+ years now... go to a movie theater, the mall, or any place with a lot of teenagers and try your best not to roll your eyes, cringe, or just outright laugh at the teenagers. You'll all get to that point, and you'll all realize that you too looked, sounded and acted as they did.

elektra_lucia · Dec 09, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Some of it could possibly be that older people can be jealous of the younger people for what they have. I could be totally wrong on this.

As for the above statement:

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The answer is simple... because we remember what we were like at 14 and cringe. Honestly, no matter how mature you think you were or think you are... you're not. The same concept applies to any age. When I'm 50 I'll look back on my 20's and cringe. When I'm 70 I'll look back on my 40's and laugh at how naive I was. Anyone who has been out of school for 10+ years now... go to a movie theater, the mall, or any place with a lot of teenagers and try your best not to roll your eyes, cringe, or just outright laugh at the teenagers. You'll all get to that point, and you'll all realize that you too looked, sounded and acted as they did.

I can't express with words how much I completely disagree. I am happy with who I am, will be happy with who I am in ten years and I am happy with who I was ten years ago.

Inde · Dec 09, 2007, 07:37 PM // 19:37

elektra, I don't know how old you are... but anyone who's been around for a few decades knows that you don't stay the same. I certainly hope that as a kid you were happy. The life experience from 11 to 21 is significantly different then from 21 to 31. Life changes you, responsibilities change you, your perceptions, your viewpoints, even some of your values change as life hits you. Whether good or bad. Looking back you'll see that what you once thought was grand/okay/acceptable you'll reconsider. If you've never experienced a low point in your life, a time when you reflected on whether your life was going the direction you thought it would, or that's its completely diverged... knows that maturity can be defined in so many ways. To say that you've been this incredibly happy with who you are your entire life only tells someone that you've never really been hit hard with what life can give you or had your values and beliefs tested.

I'm secure in who I am, I don't need to explain my decisions or my actions to people and maybe that's what you implied versus "I'm happy with who I am and who I was and who I will be". Call me a pessimist but I can't help but look at a statement like that and think that you haven't had to make a big screw up in life yet because you haven't experienced enough yet. Or that you have and it's full consequences have not been fully realized. We'll all have them.

As I said though, maybe this was just a poor assumption on my part with what the "I'm happy with who I am" statement meant. My point with the above post was to state that most people look back on their years and can laugh at who they "thought" they were.

And of course i'm jealous of younger people! crap... you have looks, no responsibilities, life is grand and your ambitious, you can go anywhere, experience anything, life seems to have no consequences when you're young. OF COURSE I'M JEALOUS

Of course, I speak as if I'm old... which I'm not but if I could just be 16, or even 21 again.

ensoriki · Dec 09, 2007, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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And of course i'm jealous of younger people! crap... you have looks, no responsibilities, life is grand and your ambitious, you can go anywhere, experience anything, life seems to have no consequences when you're young. OF COURSE I'M JEALOUS Of course, I speak as if I'm old... which I'm not but if I could just be 16, or even 21 again.

I cannot do anything that you have spoken of.
I cannot experience everything
I have responsibilities
Life is to grand for me to want to partake
I've been told I look like Maggot infested manure

Perhaps thats you, but in a few instances you do not have much to be jealous of.

Its normal to look back on your life and say "What if" or "Why didn't I". One thing is that people are constantly learning, if you have why didn't I's its because you probably know where you went wrong. Hence the phrase "Learn From Your Mistakes", if you could be 16 again and correct or do anything you felt you messed up, you wouldn't have much to tell your friend later.
How would someone be able to go "Ya I remember the stupid crap, I did like...." to their friends when there 20 or 30, whatever, if they corrected all their mistakes.

Answer to Why Hate Fourteen year olds.
Its not actual hate, people can find things they dislike about any age group generally and stereotype that group. People see stupid crap that age group does, generalizes it and then forgets they did stupid shit to.

Answer to the thread, Lack of Nostalgia.

I'm probably wrong though, or rambling. I do stupid shit like that >.>

quickmonty · Dec 10, 2007, 11:47 AM // 11:47

Yes. Rambling. But you do make some good points.

I don't hate 14 yr olds. I was one once, and I have grandchildren that age. I do think it's easier for an older person to look back then for a younger person to look forward. We know our personal history ..... you have yet to experience your future.

~Peace

elektra_lucia · Dec 10, 2007, 12:54 PM // 12:54

Inde:

It's a public forum, but let's just say I've been hit perfectly hard; however, since the age of about six, my ambitions never changed. My personality? Hmm, I'm still the cynical, smart, nice person I was ten years ago. It didn't change.

Maybe tiny tiny things changed about me and I may seem smarter just because I'm more knowledgeable; however, my personality really hasn't changed. I don't really like people who their personality suddenly changed. ''Oh I was a dick then but I'm not now'', How do I know they won't be a dick again with similar surroundings, or perhaps they'll be worse now?

Buildings burn and change, people don't. Even if my objectives changed (which for me they didn't) that does NOT mean I changed as a person.

Change is: Turning from an honest person to a liar. Going from a nice personality to a nasty one. These things just don't happen.

The things which can happen:

You can get raped, you will be different. That kind of thing CAN (note can, it doesn't have to) change you; however, overtime you can go back to being similar to what you were. You may put up a load of emotional defences, but underneath it all is the same person. Now if a rape person changes into a liar or something. They would be a liar anyway, I have no sympathy for it. Life shouldn't have to hit you hard for you to change or wake up and smell the coffee. You should already be a nice person. If you weren't a highly driven person at eighteen, you're not going to be a highly driven person at thirty.

Granted I don't trust people so well now but that isn't really the kind of change we are talking about (I think). Me not trusting people has nothing to do with maturity or me changing as such. It's more like a vase getting a crack in the side where as you're talking about a vase turning into an elephant.

DreamRunner · Dec 10, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Inde:

It's a public forum, but let's just say I've been hit perfectly hard; however, since the age of about six, my ambitions never changed. My personality? Hmm, I'm still the cynical, smart, nice person I was ten years ago. It didn't change.

Maybe tiny tiny things changed about me and I may seem smarter just because I'm more knowledgeable; however, my personality really hasn't changed. I don't really like people who their personality suddenly changed. ''Oh I was a dick then but I'm not now'', How do I know they won't be a dick again with similar surroundings, or perhaps they'll be worse now?

Buildings burn and change, people don't. Even if my objectives changed (which for me they didn't) that does NOT mean I changed as a person.

Change is: Turning from an honest person to a liar. Going from a nice personality to a nasty one. These things just don't happen.

The things which can happen:

You can get raped, you will be different. That kind of thing CAN (note can, it doesn't have to) change you; however, overtime you can go back to being similar to what you were. You may put up a load of emotional defences, but underneath it all is the same person. Now if a rape person changes into a liar or something. They would be a liar anyway, I have no sympathy for it. Life shouldn't have to hit you hard for you to change or wake up and smell the coffee. You should already be a nice person. If you weren't a highly driven person at eighteen, you're not going to be a highly driven person at thirty.

Granted I don't trust people so well now but that isn't really the kind of change we are talking about (I think). Me not trusting people has nothing to do with maturity or me changing as such. It's more like a vase getting a crack in the side where as you're talking about a vase turning into an elephant.

People don't change, are you joking?

I could write a whole page of stuff on change,but all I can say is that I disagree with you and also go live a little. I don't want you to take this the wrong way but I don't think you socialize much at all.

elektra_lucia · Dec 10, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

So let me understand firstly you ask me if I am joking yet I try to explain my thoughts. You tell me you could write a whole page on change, etc. I am supposedly meant to believe this, then you say you will give a little. I presume a little idea as to the insight on change? Only to find out you give none. Followed by saying I don't socialize much. You haven't stuck to the topic at all and you've aimed your post at me. You've made it sound like you have this great knowledge you won't share with us? I am sorry but when you can not stick to the topic other than to say I do not socialize what on Earth is the correct way to take your post?

Anyway, like I said it depends what we call change. Since you're allowed to psycho-analyse me (saying I don't socialize much) I guess I will return the favour. Don't take it the wrong way though, ok? I am going to inform of other things first then get to a psycho-analysis.

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

So, children who are limited in society and then adults complain that children are immature? Oh what irony!

In another post of which you made (and aimed it towards my post again) you have made this comment. It is some what interesting because when I talked about experiences and people leading to stubborn views you got the complete wrong end of the stick. When I talked about experiences I didn't really mean children as such. An example I gave was say women who have had relationships with bad men and then think all men are arseholes.

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

You could say that a immature person can find politics interesting,

This is almost the reverse of what I was saying.

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but many people think a "mature" person is some type of role model which people should strive for which is wrong because maturity is something that that is gained by having the appropriate manner around the persons surroundings.

Many males will want the confidence they might see in a Tom Cruise character in a film. Should I say this is wrong because it is gained by having the appropriate manner? It's still something they want to strive for. I hope when you read this you do not focus on him being a short person and then argue based on his height and intelligence.

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However if you limit your experience, of course it can lead to stubborn views!

Some people don't purposely limit their experience and it doesn't have to lead to stubborn views.
In this thread:
http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...27#post3407227 (I enjoy that you target my posts so I will return the favour).

If you look at your post of which you quoted me and also looked at mine again you will see you clearly missed the point I was trying to make. Freedom of speech IS about politics. when people say 'free country' it is relating to politics and not 'free to insult who we wish' or 'free to make any in game name we wish'; regardless, it does not apply to the game (which the topic was about in that thread). A-Net could ban you if you wanted; and as I said in that thread your post was a straw man fallacy. I notice that you seem to get the wrong end of the stick and have straw man in all or nearly all of your posts.

Now for the psycho-analysis:

You often feel the need to bring your posts down to the personal (I have done just that but only in defence I hope you realise). You are one to judge people without really knowing them. You will say I haven't socialized much but probably don't know me very well and probably haven't read too many of my posts. If you have I am kind of worried as to why you target me.

Your writing, explanations and grasp of the world clearly show an underlying ignorance (with stubborn views) in nearly every subject you talk about. You think you know more than you do. You have no clue on how to debate. You can not seem to debate something without the personal being involved. You are the sort to say 'no offence but I think you're an idiot'. Saying 'no offence' does not excuse you from what you have said. It also makes you seem dishonest and gutless. Which brings to the troll argument. You say things in mild doses to get a rise out of someone. People can be addicted to anything. It can be shouting at people, brain impulses/dopamine/serotonin/endorphins can change from that. Some people really hate being angry, but are addicted to it all the same. I think you have a similar strange addiction. Not only in arguments do you target a small point and then argue with it, you do this in real life. Which leads to a kind of unsocial behaviour even though you may have been in many social surroundings. High probability that who you are online is not really how you are in real life.

Don't waste your time trying to argue with this though, I wouldn't trust it anyway. Don't take it the wrong way. I know how to make diamonds with the air, I could write a whole page on it. I'm just going to write a little though.

I never asked what your opinion is of me, I never asked for you to tell me I haven't socialized much. So this post may come equally as wanted or more so in fact.

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I could write a whole page of stuff on change,but all I can say

You could do, but all you can... So you've proved yourself a liar in only one sentence. I'd bet on the fact you were a liar ten years ago.

As for the change, I think I have described myself incorrectly but I was (at first) talking about online people. This thread was aimed at fourteen year olds online I assume? Unless people describe what change they are talking about in people it is hard for me to argue

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P.S. You're completely wrong about me too.

ensoriki · Dec 10, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

If someone does not change at all in any way through out their life.
They are (sadly) retarded,brain dead or not human.

Who you were as a 2 year old child is not who you are now.
There are probably connections or similarities that linger from that age, but people grow so much from the ages of 2 to 51 saying people do not change is ludicrous.

There are people (this has been seen before) who start life disobedient.
However generally 1 of 2 things happen that makes them change.
1) They learn about religion (and it scares the bullshit out of em)
2)They are punished, and do not want to lash out.
Generalizations I assure you, but I find them somewhat close.

If your telling me right now.

A 56 year old has not changed, intellectually, physically,mentally or emotionally in comparison to a 5 year old, theres a HUGE problem.

That if your a liar then your a liar now thing. Bull crap.
Everyone lies, there is no way around that, don't use that to support an arguement

elektra_lucia · Dec 10, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Try to structure a better argument. It doesn't have to be aimed towards me, it could be talking about change in general. you know, something that I could actually have a chance to debate with?

I'm not going to bother wasting my time debating with you personally if you are going to bring up two year olds, unless of course you really think two year olds are typing behind computer screens. Interesting, but unlikely.

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That if your a liar then your a liar now thing. Bull crap.
Everyone lies, there is no way around that, don't use that to support an arguement

I shouldn't have to spell out what I meant. Please re-read.

I am going to write some things about change. Ensoriki, DreamRunner, this won't be aimed at either of you. So don't feel the need to debate with it. I'd much rather you didn't and someone else did.

No one in this thread has managed to clarify about the real life / online thing. People can appear different online than in real life. Maturity will obviously be different. If I am to take my personality from real life I will describe it like this:

Loyal. This is a thing some people simply do not have. I had it when I was young, I had it now. I had it fifteen years ago. Is this going to change? No. No matter what happens to me, no matter how bad my friends would ever treat me this simply would not change.

Honesty. Sure it can be said we all lie at some point in our life but some people are compulsive liars. They will lie about anything. I personally in real life find it near impossible to lie, well I can but it looks so obvious why bother. Not only that but I just find the truth better. I feel it is better. Some people feel it is easier to lie at that moment and later wish they told the truth. This is not me, honesty feels comfortable to me. Natural to me.

Perfectionism. I would be mad if I had drawn a bad picture when I was young, I'd be mad if I put effort into something and I didn't get the outcome I wanted. If of course I did a whole year of school in a week and I got an A not an A+ I would not be mad. I wouldn't see it as failure because obviously I had crammed a lot of work in. So my perfectionism was and is always based on effort.

A having to know attitude. Even if I don't make it obvious at the time, I will go away and look up whatever it is. It just irritates me when I don't know something. Dependant on what it is. If I looked outside and there was no planets, then I would not think about them; however, if I saw a planet, I would think about it. This is metaphoric, this does not mean I study astrology.

I would say I am fairly logical. Again, something that some people don't have. I think because I am fairly logical I find it hard to even entertain the idea that a god exists. The bible to me is full of contradictory statements when mixed with reality. Quotes like 'don't stand up and pray like those hypocrites do', 'pray in private not public'. I find with the fact that there are Churches and such, there must be something I don't understand. My logic is too black and white I guess, with such a quote, and praying in public is a sin, I find Churches to be a half way house to hell; however, don't argue with this. It is just my thoughts. It didn't change, I really don't think it will ever change. Of course, God is more than welcome to talk to me. That means GOD. Not you throwing a fit and saying God took over your body or saying God sent me a message to send to you (in blood none the less) written on a wall.

My intelligence. From a young age it was fairly obvious I was intelligent. Same goes to now, sure brain cells die and what not (when you get really old) but like for like (young person with young person) I haven't really changed. I am still intelligent.

Fears/bravery. Was never really afraid of anything except spiders. That hasn't changed. I do think that I could change this in me, somehow. I hear that confronting fears can help fight them. Would that be a change in my personality though? Debatable. If my ambition was to remove my fear, and I removed that fear. My personality hadn't changed, I would of just adapted. I don't find it a problem walking in the middle of a road, cars don't scare me. I know they don't want to hit me (it's expensive to g o around killing people). So such things don't really bother me.

Confidence. It got better as I was older, but was my ambition to be confident? Yes. So did my personality change exactly? Again, debateable. Job ambitions, same.

Interests, same. I like geeky things I guess. I also like outdoor sports. That kind of thing didn't change.

Clothes, that's a personal thing. I never went into the gothicy faze like some girls/guys do. You could say my clothes are different to when I was two years old. That would be so obvious that I guess I would find it not worth pointing out; however, I will all the same. Yes I dress differently to when I was two. Due to the nature of the topic, I am (for the majority) talking about fourteen and up.

My sarcasm. That has probably gone up exponentially each day, no change there

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Kind/nice attitude. Was not good (not good at it now) at giving sympathy. Helpful in a practical sense, for people who need it. Fairly understanding.

If my friends treated me bad when I was fourteen, would I begin to have trust issues? Yes. If my friends treat me bad now, would I begin to have more trust issues? Yes. The only thing I have learnt is how to deal with them before hand better, to keep people in the right place. This is just time and experience, it isn't a change in personality.

Now, take someone like Myra Hindley.

Abused animals at a young age.
Wet the bed at an old age.
Lied at a young age.
Average I.Q. At a young/old age.
Evil at a young/old age.

Michael Jackson:

He changed to white - but could tell by the nature of his songs that being black bothered him. Was interested in music at a young age. He's famous but I don't really know him obviously, I doubt anyone here really does.

Avril Lavigne:

Interested in music at a young age, interested in it now. This is someone else that can appear to have changed; however, have they? I don't really like her music but I have seen some things about her. She seemed to want to shock people, be different from the croud I guess. It was a form of arrogance. You can think that, she stopped trying to shock people and is now a boring blonde but really she's done exactly the same. People got used to what she was, so when she changed again people were probably more shocked. Seems to always have this arrogant persona, personally I find her dull, stupid and well her body is weird. It was always weird (sorry). I think her shoulders are too wide, when she was younger I think they were too wide (for her age). Her face is cute. That didn't really change.

Now for my online personality. Was fairly brutally honest (can't tell so much on forums due to restrictions) when I was younger. My English has improved, I haven't really changed. I have just found better ways to put my point across. That's just experience. You could argue that's maturity. Thing is, most people had a better education in English than me, so some simply do not have the excuse they do. For writing 'then' instead of 'than'. That one bugs me more [sarcasm]then[/sarcasm] anything. Always competitive. Always fairly understanding. I can't really write much because I am not exactly much different online to the person I am in real life.

As far as I'm concerned, people who change a lot are fake; therefore, one change is no difference. It was a mask before, will be a mask again. Just painted a different colour.

Onarik Amrak · Dec 10, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

I envy elektra_lucia's dedication to write small essays on a game forum.

elektra_lucia · Dec 10, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46

I type fast xD.

ensoriki · Dec 10, 2007, 08:04 PM // 20:04

The problem I have had with Elektra's post is that Im confusing
Identity and personality.
(While you all probably know Ill just post this for reference
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personality
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/identity)

Now elektra
Identity changes much more than personality, does right?

However if we find personality as a collection of qualities.
Peoples personalities do change, this is easier to spot when you have not seen someone for a long period of time.
Say you met someone when they were 14 and you have not seen them again until they are 44.
You would notice, there are still many characteristics of someone that are the same, I would say thats a slight change in personality.

See your correct, if someone changes frequently, they generally are just a chameleon like person.

You Identified Avril Lavigne as someone with a odd body.
That body has nothing to do with her personality however from what you have told us.

Anyways. theres a 75% chance that im rambling (to me since I dont know =P)
so to cut to the chase.

Online and offline you can have a different personality. Its easily argued that if you are two-faced, thats part of your personality. We can say that someone who has never been exposed to the internet, strict personality, limbers up after 2 years of using the internet(from exposure to fads and internet humor off course =P).

As is confirmed by science (or was confirmed last time I check) a person's mind absorbs things. So someone who is very strict can have prolonged time to the internet and their mind will absorb the stupidity (or intelligence) on there.
There personality is not quite changed yet, as it's a collection of qualities (description im taking) Exploring the internet someones mind absorbs different things, and since people are different they come to different conclusions and thoughts about this. These thoughts typically evolve (due to law of Attraction I guess) and become qualities. Through many qualities now being created by someones brain, it's possible some are erased.
This new mixture of qualities creates a new personality.

It's also possible that when the mind is potentially very influential (at lets say 14)
They absorb things faster and because they did not have a strong personality it was influenced and these new qualities created a new personality (while some parts of the old remain in tact).

Im now 80% sure im rambling Bullshit,
Im just the retarded noob =P